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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 15 Jan 2016 :  13:49:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

If possible, can Easy-PC be migrated to Linux OS as an alternative operating system?

Windows 7 support by Easy-PC/Number One ends in 2017.

The aggressive approach by Microsoft to move people to Windows 10, is a concern since new laptops and desktop PC's will not have the requisite drivers for older versions of Windows such as Windows 8.0/8.1.

If Microsoft move to a Software as a Service (SaaS), where people are required to make monthly subscriptions to ensure continued use of the OS, then many people will not be happy with this approach.

In addition, the telemetry collected, and personal information, which can be sold on to advertisers by Microsoft means that the OS ceases to be owned by oneself, and ones personal information and work will be known by unknown 3rd parties.

Therefore, is Number One planning an alternative parallel development of Easy-PC for a Linux or Mac based OS, to circumvent the impending costs associated with Windows 10?

Even if the version for Linux/Mac is a reduced version with a roadmap to be equivalent to the Windows version in a few years time, would be acceptable.

Is this achievable?

Are there any others considering the move from Windows to Linux/Mac?

Regards,

Shadders.

AndyB

United Kingdom
207 Posts

Posted - 25 Jan 2016 :  21:22:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Try Virtualbox.
You could emulate windows and run EasyPc on that.
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 26 Jan 2016 :  22:39:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by AndyB

Try Virtualbox.
You could emulate windows and run EasyPc on that.



Hi AndyB,

Thanks - will look into that. Preferred option is native OS, just in case Windows 10 in a virtual environment has issues.

Regards,

Shadders.
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jlawton

United Kingdom
82 Posts

Posted - 17 Feb 2016 :  17:39:18  Show Profile  Visit jlawton's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I have been running EZ-PC for some time using Wine on Linux, currently Kubuntu 14.04 LTS.
It seems more stable than under Win7 in Virtualbox. The only annoying issue is with the display of fonts such as Arial on the pcb layout and the resulting Gerber files.



John
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 03 Mar 2016 :  16:11:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jlawton

I have been running EZ-PC for some time using Wine on Linux, currently Kubuntu 14.04 LTS.
It seems more stable than under Win7 in Virtualbox. The only annoying issue is with the display of fonts such as Arial on the pcb layout and the resulting Gerber files.



John


Hi John,

Thanks. I have a laptop I purchased last year which I have been meaning to install a new hard disk and use Linux only on it. Linux Format have some tutorials recently too, which will help.

I want to dual boot too, and again, this months Linux Format has a good article.

Regards,

Shadders.
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 27 May 2016 :  12:30:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

To raise this again, Easy-PC on Linux :-

If Microsoft change Windows 10 applications deployment such that they MUST be provided by UWP which has a 30% tax (payable to Microsoft), will Number One be considering providing Easy-PC on Linux in the future?

Thanks and regards,

Shadders.
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DavidM

United Kingdom
456 Posts

Posted - 27 May 2016 :  13:18:53  Show Profile  Visit DavidM's Homepage  Reply with Quote
We certainly understand the feeling that Microsoft are managing to charge us more just to stay inside the supported system 'envelope', which is why we run our support for each version of Windows for years after Microsoft have officially withdrawn their mainline support. We realise that this is not the whole picture, as you will probably still have to replace your edition of Windows at some point, but we feel that it does at least help you stick with what you know rather than being forced to move ever onwards as Microsoft release each new version.

Turning now to the specific question of providing a Linux edition, with the way the application is built using both the Windows API and the Microsoft MFC framework, and bearing in mind the huge amount of source code we already have in the product, re-engineering this to use a different framework on a different platform would be an enormous task for us to undertake.

Even assuming that this task is indeed technically feasible, it would come at a significant cost in terms of our development time, probably many man-months of work just to get a new edition of a product that is no further on in terms of features than it is now, and one that may even have to compromise in some areas just to achieve a solution that works on both platforms.

Assuming we took the plunge and committed to doing that work, who is going to bear the cost? Unless the resulting ported application greatly increased our user base (which is hard to see happening in these days of a fairly saturated EDA market) and thus allowed us to recoup the cost from new sales, the hammer would surely fall on existing users. Asking those users who are continuing to work quite happily in the Windows environment to bear the cost for re-engineering onto a platform they are not using would hardly seem fair. This leaves the situation where we might have to sell a "cross-grade" to a Linux version at a large differential just to recoup at least some of the development costs. I find it hard to imagine that there would be anything like enough of those users to cover even a fraction of the development outlay.

Unless someone can suggest a magic bullet, sadly I think there is no easy way out of this one. With hindsight we may have done things differently, but in terms of how the application is built we are where we are. There doesn't seem to be any way around this that stacks up financially, even setting aside any technical issues in actually porting to another platform.

David.


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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 27 May 2016 :  13:47:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi David,

Thanks for the prompt reply. I understand that this would be an onerous and costly task. Whether Mono could be of use to rapidly develop is one option, but again, as you have stated, costs would have to be incurred and as such, existing users would be disadvantaged for minimal gain for all parties.

Whether RS could support and fund in part for their requirements for Designspark, to compete with Eagle, may be an avenue for thrid party funding?

Regards,

Shadders.
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DavidM

United Kingdom
456 Posts

Posted - 27 May 2016 :  13:56:03  Show Profile  Visit DavidM's Homepage  Reply with Quote
All the frameworks I've looked at incur some amount of re-engineering, even to the extent that some people are almost advocating starting again from scratch using their current code base as reference material, but we are still keeping an open mind to what possibilities (financial, technical or whatever) might show up in the future.

David.
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 27 May 2016 :  14:40:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks David,

Regards,

Shadders.
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jlawton

United Kingdom
82 Posts

Posted - 08 Jul 2016 :  13:39:06  Show Profile  Visit jlawton's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'd like you to consider supporting the use of EPC under Wine. Don't forget Wine runs on Macs too, and Macs are more popular now. You could investigate supporting use under Codeweavers Crossover on Mac/Linux.

There may be tweaks to your code that would make the package run better. Having said that, in my experience it runs very well with the exception of some font handling issues I've mentioned before.

John

John
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 11 Jul 2016 :  11:15:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi John,

I second this request, if we cannot have a native code application, then running the program under WINE would be the next best thing.

Regards,

Shadders.
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 21 Jul 2016 :  17:31:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

Just to bump this one to see if Number One will reply as to whether they can implement the changes to ensure WINE can run the program ?

Thanks and regards,

Richard.
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davep

United Kingdom
98 Posts

Posted - 13 Aug 2016 :  22:56:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just to add another voice to getting a Linux version.
Have been running Win 10 for about a month on main PC after running it on a secondary PC for nearly a year.
Unplanned & unexpected update on main PC (after successful anniversary update) caused reboot loop. Only way out was 'reset' which trashed ALL programs including Easy-PC - lost v19. Lost 3 days trying to fix Win 10 before reverting to full install of Win 7. Now running Easy-PC v20 OK.
I don't want unplanned updates from Microsoft. I have now decided to switch to Linux as next OS ( I think I have about three years to switch everything). Thus the comments here.
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Iain Wilkie

United Kingdom
960 Posts

Posted - 14 Aug 2016 :  18:56:44  Show Profile  Visit Iain Wilkie's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Not for the same problem, but I too have have to revert back Win 7 from Win 10. Nearly trashed my main PC with the free upgrade. Took me hours to sort it out. Confidence level is zero for Win 10

Iain
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shadders

United Kingdom
219 Posts

Posted - 24 Aug 2016 :  17:03:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi,

I have been able to establish that all software i wish to run (Mathematica, Matlab, SDR drivers for an RTL-SDR Device), is available on Linux.

So, if Easy-PC was able to run under WINE, this would be very helpful.

Thanks and regards,

Shadders.
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